Debunking arguments against Goku
This post will be mainly focusing on debunking the arguments for why goku is not low multiversal
First Argument
”The Shockwaves caused by goku and beerus were getting stronger the farther they travelled away from the origin point”
Counter arguments
This is completely wrong
one because goku nullified the shockwaves making him scale to it
Two Goku and beerus clashes produced another energy that threatened to destroy the universe it is called a dense energy by elder kai in the Anime
Second Argument
“The shockwaves were caused by beerus and not from goku so he wouldn’t scale to it”
Counter arguments 2
Goku nullified both the shockwave’s and the dense energy making him scale to the shockwaves and dense energy so this argument doesn’t even make sense
Third Argument
”The anime never shows or says anything close to this level of feat ever again so by definition Goku’s feat is a literal outlier feat”
Counter argument 4
Kefla says she can one shot a universe
Moro self destruction in the Manga is stated to threaten the whole multiverse
[the Dai kaioshin told Uub how he was the savior of this universe](https://imgur.com/a/Mgrs9T7)
>Dai-Kaioshin: うちゅうキミはこの宇宙のきゅうせいしゅ救世主だ
You are the savior of this/these universe(s).
Confirming, Moros explosion was far exceeding galactic levels, and also keep in mind this statement also happened post Moro fusing with earth.
Bonus: Herms and Son (both Japanese speaking people) agree on the use of 銀河 as plural, herms even doubling down and agreeing with moros explosion being on a universal scale
Zamasu also says that he will destroy the multiverse
so this argument about the feat being outlier because the show never mentions it again is invalid
5th argument
”The afterlife is a higher spirtual realm structure not a higher dimensional structure”
5th counter
This is probably going to be the most detailed debunk here
天よりも高く人間界からは い知ることができない次元を超越した天の国神々はこの地から世界のすべてを見おろしている
Translation
Soaring higher than heavens
A world that transcends the dimensions and understanding of the human world.
“From here, the gods watch over the world
the scan doesn’t say transcendental that is a misconception since the kanji used in the scan is ”超越した” ( (Chouetsushita) which translates to it transcending or being transcendent rather than transcendental which is described by the kanji “超越的” (Chouetsuteki).
In other words Herms translation was incorrect
Moreover, ”transcendental" is restricted to being an adjective. Japanese follows an SOV structure (Subject-Object-Verb), meaning the subject comes first, followed by the object and then the verb, while adjectives come before the noun they describe, similar to English. Here, "超越" (Chouetsu) comes after the noun it refers to, which is "次元" (Jigen). This indicates that "超越" in this context is not an adjective but a verb.
Some of yall would argue that the scan refers to spiritual transcendence, but this is very very unlikely and also disproven by the terminology used in the scan: "次元を超越した天の国" (Jigen o chōetsu shita ten no kuni). The term "次元" (Jigen) refers to a mathematical or spatial dimension, Implying that the transcendence being referred to is in the mathematical context Furthermore, the context, which mentions that the Afterlife cannot be perceived by mortals, suggests that the Afterlife is undeniably a higher dimension.**
The Guidebooks have also referred to the afterlife as an extra dimension compared to the living world which in this context refers to a higher dimension The kanji used for extra dimensional space is 異次元空間” which refers to dimensions outside the universe the Extra Dimensional Space literally fits this definition this also further strengthens the idea of Jigen referring to dimensions instead of realms (Spiritual context)
6th Argument
”The Universe only has 4 Galaxies”
Counter arguments
Discussing this will take too much time and energy so I will just link my post here where I provided examples as to why that is simply not possible
Conclusion
Goku is consistently shown being a multiversal Buster
This post will be mainly focusing on debunking the arguments for why goku is not low multiversal
First Argument
”The Shockwaves caused by goku and beerus were getting stronger the farther they travelled away from the origin point”
Counter arguments
This is completely wrong
one because goku nullified the shockwaves making him scale to it
Two Goku and beerus clashes produced another energy that threatened to destroy the universe it is called a dense energy by elder kai in the Anime
Second Argument
“The shockwaves were caused by beerus and not from goku so he wouldn’t scale to it”
Counter arguments 2
Goku nullified both the shockwave’s and the dense energy making him scale to the shockwaves and dense energy so this argument doesn’t even make sense
Third Argument
”The anime never shows or says anything close to this level of feat ever again so by definition Goku’s feat is a literal outlier feat”
Counter argument 4
Kefla says she can one shot a universe
Moro self destruction in the Manga is stated to threaten the whole multiverse
[the Dai kaioshin told Uub how he was the savior of this universe](https://imgur.com/a/Mgrs9T7)
>Dai-Kaioshin: うちゅうキミはこの宇宙のきゅうせいしゅ救世主だ
You are the savior of this/these universe(s).
Confirming, Moros explosion was far exceeding galactic levels, and also keep in mind this statement also happened post Moro fusing with earth.
Bonus: Herms and Son (both Japanese speaking people) agree on the use of 銀河 as plural, herms even doubling down and agreeing with moros explosion being on a universal scale
Zamasu also says that he will destroy the multiverse
so this argument about the feat being outlier because the show never mentions it again is invalid
5th argument
”The afterlife is a higher spirtual realm structure not a higher dimensional structure”
5th counter
This is probably going to be the most detailed debunk here
天よりも高く人間界からは い知ることができない次元を超越した天の国神々はこの地から世界のすべてを見おろしている
Translation
Soaring higher than heavens
A world that transcends the dimensions and understanding of the human world.
“From here, the gods watch over the world
the scan doesn’t say transcendental that is a misconception since the kanji used in the scan is ”超越した” ( (Chouetsushita) which translates to it transcending or being transcendent rather than transcendental which is described by the kanji “超越的” (Chouetsuteki).
In other words Herms translation was incorrect
Moreover, ”transcendental" is restricted to being an adjective. Japanese follows an SOV structure (Subject-Object-Verb), meaning the subject comes first, followed by the object and then the verb, while adjectives come before the noun they describe, similar to English. Here, "超越" (Chouetsu) comes after the noun it refers to, which is "次元" (Jigen). This indicates that "超越" in this context is not an adjective but a verb.
Some of yall would argue that the scan refers to spiritual transcendence, but this is very very unlikely and also disproven by the terminology used in the scan: "次元を超越した天の国" (Jigen o chōetsu shita ten no kuni). The term "次元" (Jigen) refers to a mathematical or spatial dimension, Implying that the transcendence being referred to is in the mathematical context Furthermore, the context, which mentions that the Afterlife cannot be perceived by mortals, suggests that the Afterlife is undeniably a higher dimension.**
The Guidebooks have also referred to the afterlife as an extra dimension compared to the living world which in this context refers to a higher dimension The kanji used for extra dimensional space is 異次元空間” which refers to dimensions outside the universe the Extra Dimensional Space literally fits this definition this also further strengthens the idea of Jigen referring to dimensions instead of realms (Spiritual context)
6th Argument
”The Universe only has 4 Galaxies”
Counter arguments
Discussing this will take too much time and energy so I will just link my post here where I provided examples as to why that is simply not possible
Conclusion
Goku is consistently shown being a multiversal Buster